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    [欣赏] 义和团团钱今天农村收获

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    20楼 发表于2015-09-05 06:31:48

    欣赏

    身份已验证:宋民民 河北邢台

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    21楼 发表于2015-09-05 11:33:18

    欣赏,学习。

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    22楼 发表于2015-09-05 17:48:31

    少见,欣赏了。

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    23楼 发表于2015-09-05 19:11:28

    和拓片上的不一样

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    24楼 发表于2015-09-05 19:15:36

    学习

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    25楼 发表于2015-09-05 23:53:53

    这个品种个人从未见过真品彩图,所以标准器是如何也没有概念。这种钱是马定祥
    考证出来的,在1987年的<中国钱币>中马定祥、马传德撰文写到:““替天行道”
    钱背面铸有“保清灭洋”径为3.8厘米,重量18.1克,该钱仅见。三十年代初发现于北
    京,惜已流往东浪, 但日人竟考此钱为道光二十年(1840)庚子所铸,实属大误。 ”

    由于缺乏过硬的论据,文中所述大家见仁见智。当然,当此钱出名后,各式各样的
    仿品屡见不鲜。

    — 此帖于 2015-09-05 23:57:08 被 1508 编辑过 —
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    26楼 发表于2015-09-06 11:20:59

    考证文章写的真好,钱币实物图片学习了。

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    27楼 发表于2015-09-06 11:23:49

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    身份已验证:韦世良 宁夏宁武

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    28楼 发表于2015-09-06 11:25:47
    赫德对义和团的评价:

    今天的这一事件(义和团运动)不是没有意义的,它是一个要发生变革的世纪的序幕,是远东未来历史的基调:2000年的中国将大大不同于1900年的中国!民族感情是一个永久性的因素,这是必须承认的,在研究一个民族世纪状况时,决不能排除这个因素,而在中国,唯一普遍存在的感情就是对中国制度的自豪和对外国一切的蔑视 

    ....... 
    中国人是一个有才智、有教养的种族,冷静、勤劳,有自己的文明,无论语言、思想和感情各方面都是中国式的,人口总数约有四亿,生活在自己的疆域内,在他们所繁衍的的国度里有肥沃的土地和众多的江河,有千姿百态的高山和平原、丘陵和溪谷,有各种各样的气候和条件,地面上生产着一个民族所需要的一切,地底下埋藏着从未开发过的无穷的宝藏,这个种族,在经过数千年唯我独尊与闭关自守之后,已经迫于形势和外来者的巨大优势,同世界其余各国发生了条约关系,但是他们认为那是一种耻辱,他们知道从这种关系中得不到好处,所以正在指望有朝一日自己能够十足地强大起来,重新恢复昔日的生活,排除同外国的交往、一切外来的干涉和入侵,用睡眠来形容,这个民族已经酣睡了很久,但现在他已经苏醒,他的每一个成员身上都激荡着一种中国人的情感”中国人是中国的,把外国人赶出去!“ 
    义和团无疑是官方煽动的产物,但是这个运动已经吸纳了群众的想象力,将会像野火一样烧遍中国各个角落。简单说来,它是一个纯粹的爱国的自发运动,其目标是使中国强盛起来--以实现中国人的计划。通过武力来达到它所预期的目的,即根除外国宗教和驱逐外国人的目的,它的第一次实验并不是十分成功,但是,作为一次对志愿行动是否可行的试探,或者作为将来所要采取的途径和手段的一次试验,它并不是一次失败。他证明了广大民众会如何齐心协力的响应号召,也进一步表明原来谨小慎微的官方有意限制义和团只使用大刀长矛,这是不够的,必须要用毛瑟***和克虏伯大炮来代替他,将来的爱国者将拥有金钱所能买到的最好武器" 
    .......... 
    “危及世界未来”这几个字无疑将引起哄堂大笑,好吧,让他们去笑吧,但愿他们会一直笑下去,两千万或两千万以上武装起来的、训练有素、纪律严明而又被爱国(即使是被误解了)动机所激励的团民,将使外国人不可能再在中国住下去,将从外国人那里收回外国人从中国拿去的一切,将额外加价的报复旧日的怨恨,将把中国的国旗和中国的武器带到许许多多现在连想都想不到的地方去。 
    五十年以后,就将有千百万团民排成密集队形,穿戴全副盔甲,听候中国政府的号召,这一点是不用怀疑的!如果中国政府继续存在下去,它将鼓励(而这样鼓励是很对的)支持并发展这个中华民族运动;这个运动对世界其余各国将是不祥之兆,但是中国有权这样做,中国将贯彻她的民族计划!" 
    .............. 
    “中国将会有很长时期的挣扎,还会做错很多的事情和遭受极大的灾难,但或迟或早,这个国家将会以健康的、强大的、经验老到的姿态呈现于世界,并拥有这个世界强加给它的军事力量,而且,既然它必须拥有,它必将拥有最好的--最好的武器,最适当的训练,最高级的教育,士兵的数量将视人口的允许和情况的需要而定,士兵的质量将会一代胜过一代,今天,为了义和团在去年的所作所为而惩罚中国,西方在禁止向中国出口的物品中包括武器,关于这一点,一位贵胄子弟曾对我说:”很好,这将迫使我们成为生产者,且请记住我的话,总有一天我们会成为出口商,不仅那样,而且还会比现在的制造商卖的更便宜。“ 

    1901年 ,赫德 

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    29楼 发表于2015-09-06 11:27:14

    赫德评价义和团原文出处:

    出处:These from the land of Sinim, by Sir Robert Hart

    主要撰写动机是英国议会需要知道,为什么会发生这样的事(庚子国变),以及如何预防再次发生。

    1901年出版,在 1903年版加入了更多内容(比如包含这类预言的第六章)。

    在线阅读(1903年,第六版):
    [url=http://www.archive.org/details/thesefromlandofs00hartiala]http://www.archive.org/details/thesefromlandofs00hartiala[/url]

    那些预言主要分布在第五章和第六章:
    第五章
    This episode of to-day is not meaningless — ^it is the prelude to a century of change and the keynote of the future history of the Far East: the China of the year 2000 will be very different from the China of 1900 I National sentiment is a constant factor which must be recognized, and not eliminated, when dealing with national facts, and the one feeing that is universal in China is pride in Chinese institutions and contempt for foreign: treaty intercourse has not altered this — if anything, it has deepened it, and the future will not be uninfluenced by it. 


    The

    Chinese, an intelligent, cultivated race, sober, industrious, and on its own lines civilized homogeneous in language, thought, and feeling, which numbers some four hundred millions, lives in its own ring-fence, and covers a country

    made up of fertile land and teeming waters,with infinite variety of mountain and plain, hill and dale, and every kind of climate and condition, producing on its surface aU that a

    people requires and hiding in its bosom untold virgin wealth that has never yet been disturbed, — this race, after thousands of years of haughty seclusion and exclusiveness, has been pushed by the force of circumstances and by the

    superior strength of assailants into treaty relations with the rest of the world, but regards that as a humiliation, sees no benefit accruing from it, and is looking forward to the day when it in turn will be strong enough to revert to its old life again and do away with foreign intercourse, interference, and intrusion. It has slept long, as we count sleep, but it is awake at last, and its every member is tingling with Chinese feeling — " China for the Chinese and

    out with the foreigners!" The Boxer movement is douhtless the product of official inspiration, but it has taken hold of the popular imagination, and will spread like wildfire all

    over the length and breadth of the country ; it is, in short, a purely patriotic volunteer movement, and its object is to strengthen China — and for a Chinese programme. Its first experience has not been altogether a success as regards the attainment through strength of proposed ends, the rooting up of foreign cults and the ejection of foreigners ; but it is not a failure in respect of the feeler it put out — will

    volunteering work? — or as an experiment that would test ways and means and guide future choice. It has proved how to a man the people will respond to the call, and it has further

    demonstrated that the swords and spears to which the prudent official mind confined the initiated will not suffice, but must be supplemented or replaced by Mauser rifles and Erupp

    guns. The Boxer patriot of the future will possess the best weapons money can buy, and then the "Yellow Peril" will be beyond ignoring. 


    The words "imperil the world's future" will doubtless provoke a laugh — well, let them do so, but let them stand ! Twenty millions or more of Boxers armed, drilled, disciplined, and animated by patriotic — if mistaken — motives, will make residence in China impossible for foreigners, will take back from foreigners everything foreigners have taken from China, will pay off old grudges with interest, and will carry the Chinese flag and

    Chinese arms into many a place that even fancy will not suggest today, thus preparing for the future upheavals and disasters never even dreamt of. In fifty years' time there will be millions of Boxers in serried ranks and war's

    panoply at the call of the Chinese Government : there is not the slightest doubt of that ! And if the Chinese Government continues to exist, it will encourage — and it will be quite

    right to encourage — uphold, and develop this national Chinese movement : it bodes no good for the rest of the world, but China will be acting within its right and will carry through the national programme !



    第六章
    There will be much floundering and many

    mistakes and catastrophes, but sooner or later

    the State will emerge healthy, strong, and ex-

    perienced, and in possession of what the world

    forces on her military strength ; and since it

    must be had, she will eventually have it of the

    best the best arms, the most suitable drill,

    the highest education, and soldiers in such

    numbers as population permits and circum-

    stances require, and of such quality as physique,

    morale, and training will in the course of gene-

    rations provide. To-day, in order to punish

    China for the Boxer doings of last year, the

    West, among other things, is prohibiting the

    importation of arms. In this connection said a

    scion of a great family to me : " Very good

    this forces us to become producers. Now, mark

    me, in due time we ourselves will be exporters ;

    not only that, but underselling present manu-

    facturers ! "

    身份已验证:韦世良 宁夏宁武

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